Here are the a whopping 8" at 150 yards. The CCI A17 load uses a 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet at a claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. Trump being classless, tasteless and clueless as usual. I prefer 20-grain bullets in the .17 Hornets because they can be pushed much faster than 25-grain bullets. Nov 2, 2020. I'm burning Tac and 25 gr VMAX in my old 17 Rem and it really shoots well. Stepping up to 24 grain yields a considerable jump in velocity to 3,944fps and 518ft/lb energy. The subcompact GLOCK 42 carries 6+1 rounds of. 6.8 Western This round is excellent for plinking and firearms safety training. By this same token, if the bullets jacket is too hard then controlled and predictable expansion on target can not be relied on, which it needs to be if it is to withstand the friction and heat generated when fired at hyper-velocity. energy is 135 ft. lbs. As part of this comparison we decided to chronograph the As A-2230s name implies, its designed around the .223 Remington. None of them ever did. Mag. 100 yards with the 17 Grain V-MAX bullet at a catalog MV of 2550 fps. The bolt on one would not close, and though the bolt on the other rifle would close, the fit was so tight a steady diet of that ammo would eventually cause galling of the locking lugs. 55mm. difficult to compile. 24.0g of IMR 4350 with a Rem 7 1/2 (Warning do not use a thin cup primer with the 17 Remington) 25g bullet = 4100+ Decopper your barrel frequently, use good bronze bristle brushes often and throw them away after 100 strokes. Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington) Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI) . that the averages below would have been smaller if testing had taken Just think of where it has been, the game it has taken, and the hours of shooting enjoyment it has provided over the decades. For the 5.56 NATO loads, with a maximum pressure of 62,350 psi, Western Powders lists 26.1 grains of A-2200 that shoots the Nosler bullet at a very quick 3,578 fps. most accurate 17 remington loadapplications of stepper motor ppt. It's pure poison on deer-size game out to 600 yards. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. I'm shooting 24.5gr/IMR-4320 still shooting some Rem 25gr bullets. High-Volume Reloading for Varminters by Graymist. I usually load it with Speer Gold dots or Winchester Rangers. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. The first three were rimless versions of the Winchester cartridges, with slight dimensional changes, and had 0.421-inch rims. All All loads were fired at a distance of 50 yards from the benchrest in my shooting building. I picked up a rifle that I've been wanting for a long time: a 700 Classic in 17 Remington. It never failed, allways shot them behind the shoulder. It produced about the highest velocities of all the Accurate powders tested in the .223 with 40- to 60-grain bullets. After firing many rounds through a Marlin Model 336, I have to say that LVR is far and away the best powder for this cartridge, but there are several other propellants that also work well. HORNADY Varmint Express: smallest group 5/8"; largest Accurate 4350 excels in .25-caliber cartridges. You find 3 loads in caliber .17 Rem. That pair shot five bullets well under .5 inch the best the old Swift rifle has shot any load. For my money, the best all-round bullets for the .35 Rem. CCI A17: smallest group 15/16"; largest group As always, it behooves anyone with a .17 HMR varmint Last edited by obaro; 04/10/20 09:18 AM. Neither the author nor Outdoor Sportsman Group assumes any liability for accidents or injury resulting from the use or misuse of this data. Hammer Bullets' 18 grain Dead Blow is another excellent nontoxic (California compliant) option milled from a single piece of copper. Gun: Thompson/Center Contender; barrel length: 26 3/4 inches (MGM); case: Remington; primer: Remington 7 1/2 Small Rifle; bullet diameter: .172"; COAL: 2.150"; maximum COAL: 2.150"; maximum case length: 1.796"; trim to length: 1.786". When can deer be hunted? CCI's published 100 yard used in the rifles. Twenty-five grains of RL15 then tips the magical 4,000fps limit with an average velocity of 4,175fps and 580ft/lb of energy. * We tested two different Marlin Model 917VS and Ruger K77/17VMBBZ rifles. fun. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. 165 yards, for a MPBR (+/- 1.5") of 165 yards. I use a book max load of varget of 24.5g and 25 grain berger match HP's. is rather low, at 33,500 psi, so the case is rather lightly constructed. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? The Sierra 200-grain RN is very similar to Hornadys, and it registered 2,198 fps with a charge of 43.0 grains of LVR; it grouped into an inch or less. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. less than 1 percent with most loads. At 200 yards, 2,781fps velocity is becoming slower but there is still 429ft/lb energy on tap. barrel, the rifle for which this load was specifically designed. All recorded groups are fired from a solid bench rest at an outdoor rifle range. A few .12 and .14 calibers emerged, but those of .17 caliber ended up being the most popular. The original purpose of the belted magnum concept taken from the .300 H&H Magnum and .375 H&H Magnum, was to provide precise headspace . Hornady Manufacturing Company load data in .17 Rem. Roundnose bullets that mimic factory loads are available from Hornady and Sierra. The Remington case is about 0.006 inch larger in diameter at its body/shoulder juncture, and its head-space dimension is about 0.004 inch longer. You can trust these magazines day in and day out they are reliable, affordable, and widely available. AVERAGE GROUP SIZE WITH MOST ACCURATE BRAND OF AMMUNITION. is rimless, it headspaces on its relatively small shoulder. AVERAGE GROUP SIZE WITH MOST ACCURATE BRAND OF AMMUNITION. Thus, the judicious reloader should not try to soup up handloads. can also be quite accurate. is a fine Coyote cartridge but also, this round doesn't chop wood at all. barm # 13676946 03/21/19. Seated to touch & group sizes will double. Both LVR and H4895 shot well, and the velocities in the Outfitters 22-inch barrel were only marginally faster than in the Model 336s 20-inch barrel. The accuracy and integrity of the larger 30 grain ensures a better ballistic coefficient and, as such, retains more energy down-range and is better constructed to penetrate foxes yet still expand without any nasty entry wounds, so long as the range is not too long. placed at a distance of 10 feet from the muzzle of the test rifle. Remember: Powder charges below those listed in loading manuals are not recommended. The data guide lists .223 Remington loads for A-2495 with 80- and 90-grain bullets. Westerns data guide lists A-2200 loads for the .17 Hornet, .223 Remington, 6mm PPC and 6mm BR. Its not the flattest-shooting varmint combination, but the whole idea is to crawl within 150 yards of marmots sunning on big boulders. Slower-burning powders, such as Accurate 2460 and Ramshot TAC, increase velocities with heavier bullets, but not all that much. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the .22-250 Rem. This has been the most consistantly accurate load combo I've found for both 222s'. You can use W-748 - 29gn drives the Hornady 50gn Z-Max at 3400 fps; 28gn gets the Speer 52gn HP going 3350 fps; 27gn drives the Sierra 55gn Super Roo at 3300; and 25.5gn pushes the Hornady 60gn V-Max along at about 3100 fps. REMINGTON Premier AccuTip-V: high 2626 fps; low 2591 Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.92", (TIE) CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 1.06", Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 1.08", (TIE) Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 1.13", (TIE) Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 1.16", Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 1.21", Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.25", Winchester 1885 Low Wall Hunter, .17 WSM - 1.25", Savage Model 93R17 Classic, .17 HMR - 1.31", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.44", Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.46", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.54", Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 2.05", Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington), Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI), Savage B.MAG Target, .17 WSM - 0.75" (Winchester), Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 0.80" (Remington), Remington Model 597 LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.84" (CCI), Browning T-Bolt Target/Varmint, .17 HMR - 0.88" (Winchester), Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 0.93" (Remington), Weatherby Mark XXII, .17 HMR - 0.94" (Hornady), CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 0.96" (CCI), Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.98" (Federal), (TIE) Marlin Model 917VS ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.0" (Hornady), Anschutz Model 1502 D HB, .17 M2 - 1.06" (Hornady), Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.13" (Hornady), (TIE) Savage Model 93R17-BTVS, .17 HMR - 1.17" (CCI), (TIE) Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.25" (Hornady), Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.27" (Hornady & Remington - tie), (TIE)Henry Golden Boy, .17 HMR - 1.40" (Remington), Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.47" (CCI), Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 1.5" (Remington). Aug 29, 2009 Was at the gun show this am, looking for some h 4350 powder. This may have had a little to do with the wind because the group was strung out left to right a little bit. All Rights Reserved. | A dose of 43.0 grains of LVR gives it a muzzle energy of 2,219 ft-lbs. These bullets fired slightly at a velocity above 1,600 fps are pretty much at full-power from the Marlins 18.5-inch barrel stiff recoil verified it. Wind resistance? Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. It is important to note that the SAAMI maximum average pressure (MAP) of the .35 Rem. The one I have now is a SAKO A1. U.S.-made A-2700 is a medium-burning, double-base spherical powder suited to the .22-250 Remington, .220 Swift and .243 Winchester. five .17 HMR loads. This slow-burning, double-based spherical powder is intended mainly for short magnum cartridges and the 7mm and .300 belted magnums. A number of the cartridges were Ackleys designs while the others had been sent to him by various other developers for inclusion in his two-volume Handbook For Shooters & Reloaders. Parker Otto Ackley wore many different hats. are the Speer 180- and 220-grain softpoint flatnose (SPFN). I prefer the 25-grain V-Max in the .17 Remington because it slices through wind a bit better than the 20-grain version, and it delivers more energy to boot. CCI TNT ammo exceeded its advertised MV by 34 fps, the Federal Premium Revolver Is Back, Ruger MAX-9 9mm Micro-Sized High-Capacity Pistol: Review, 5 Best Long-Range Hunting Bullets Available Right Now. Ruger No. Remington's Premier load offers a 17 grain AccuTip-V Fortunately, shooting .17 HMR rifles is really So the plateau has been reached where no more powder can be burned to increase velocity. As with any reloading project, after charging the cases, it is prudent to shine a flashlight into each and every case to see that they all have powder in them and that the powder is at the same level. 50 v-max at .020" off the lands. The smallest cartridge was the .25-35 Winchester, which preceded the .30-30 Winchester by a few months, both of which were introduced in 1895. tried to do our shooting on calm days. 96 fps; average = 2559 fps. These are 5-shot groups fired at 100 yard targets. The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. Hornady 75-grain V-MAX bullets shoot groups as tightly as .29 inch with the aid of A-4064. If you are shooting magpies, crows or other feathered vermin then a rapidly expanding 15-grain or 18-grain Berger is just the ticket. different brands of ammunition, but to me the most interesting part of Combine it with a hollow point or polymer tip bullet, and varmints and other small game don't stand a chance. 22g of H322 with a 25g Berger, always use a thick cup primer in the 17 Remington: I've never had fouling problems, even when standing on them. 100 yard figures are 1901 fps and 136 ft. lbs. measured group sizes. All rights reserved. Remember, the above accuracy results are averages with all brands of ammunition tested. Twenty-five-grain bullet weights are the standard factory offering, but I use 20-grain and 25-grain Hornady V-Max bullets with good results. In 1970, OBrien sold his company to Harrington & Richardson, which renamed the rifle the Model 317 Ultra Wildcat. Today, the .35 Rem. I use IMR-3031 with a Hornady 25grHP bullet. with all common powders and bullets by clicking the "Loads in this caliber" button above. Accurates powders hung in limbo for some time, overshadowed by Alliant, Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powders until Western bought Accurate in 2005. Following are the Average Overall Group Size test results for the various .17 caliber rimfire rifles reviewed by Guns and Shooting Online (measured in inches). Sighted-in about 2 inches high at 100 yards, the FTX load hits only 1 inch low at 200 yards. blank range (MPBR), allowing a 1.5" deviation above and below the line The reloader can choose from a great selection of traditional and high-tech 7mm bullets - from 100 to 175 grains. Ive burned a lot of Accurate 4064 in the .22-250 and .243 Winchester. became obvious that we were also, unavoidably, testing the ammunition We shot at Outers Score Keeper targets. also used in CCI and Remington factory loads. HORNADY Varmint Express: high 2698 fps; low 2621 fps; However, bullet performance and wind drift will invariably play a more important role at these ranges. I once shot a nice 8-point whitetail buck at about 40 yards with the 220-grain SPFN, and it was a dramatic deer-drop. v-max, seated .020" off the lands. were shipped to Australian fox hunters than to dealers in the United States because it did not damage pelts as much as larger calibers. The spherical powder flows easily and precisely through a powder measure. The round isn't just fast. accurate arms. loads we compared for this article. Hornady HP cut a notch in the tailbone segment and the shock killed the darned Coyote. All shooting with our five .17 HMR rifles was done at went on to be chambered in Remington Model 14 and 141 pump actions, the Model 81 semiautomatic, and the Model 30 bolt action. Its best use is for low-pressure, cast-bullet loads in the .223 on up to the .45-70. Today the problem is rectified by properly sourced kit but, as they say, mud sticks. The .223 is inexpensive, easy to use well, low recoiling, and often very accurate even with military ball-type ammunition. When it comes down to velocity, the .17 Rem. The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornadys .17 Hornet. This single-base, extruded powder was developed for the .308 Winchester. However, I have a good H4350 load for the. velocity, lowest velocity, extreme spread, and mean average velocity. Berger bullet You must log in or register to reply here. It is my fox calibre/combination of choice and, when fed 25 grains of my beloved RL15, that elongated needle of a projectile steps out just shy of the 4,000fps mark at 3,975fps still good enough. ammunition manufacturers for chronograph testing. It shoots tighter than I can hold. How does the performance of the .17s compare with .22 caliber varmint cartridges? The M1903 was first used in combat during the Philippine-American War, and it was officially adopted by the United States as the standard infantry rifle on June 19, 1903 . course of chronographing the five types of ammunition. From Accurate 5744 to 4350, Accurate offers plenty of powders for varmint hunters, from the substantial .25-06 down to the pocket- sized .17 Fireball. 71 fps; average = 2775 fps. The Cooper Model 21 Varminter I have been using for about several years consistently squeezes five shots inside a half-inch at 100 yards with the various bullet weights. rifles reviewed for Guns and Shooting Online, it The testing was done over several range sessions. The Federal Premium V-Shok load we tested uses a 17 grain Speer TNT JHP bullet at a claimed MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. Deer seasons in the UK. PPU's .22 Hornet ammo is ok, just not terribly accurate. If so, look no further than the .17 Remington calibre, which has been overrated by some and written off by others. The .17 HMR round has a blistering muzzle velocity of 2,500 fps. Not good. Javascript is required. The 7mm Remington Magnum was introduced in 1962 along with the new Remington Model 700. Groups hover around an inch at 100 yards. The M1903 Springfield, officially the United States Rifle, Caliber .30-06, Model 1903, is an American five-round magazine-fed, bolt-action service repeating rifle, used primarily during the first half of the 20th century.. Thats why, even today, people who talk of the .17 say it dirties barrels, burns out barrels and is affected by the wind because of the lightweight projectile. I also use Berger bullets, which offer weights from 15-grain, 18-grain, 20-grain, 22-grain and 25-grain bullets, with two heavier bullets of 30 grain and 37 grain. There is only so much powder you can burn efficiently down that tiny barrel diameter, and because of this, very small changes of powder weights can give skyward pressures and inconsistency, therefore change your powder weights by 1?10th increments. 70 and a sako vixen is: Rem case , cci bencrest pr., 21.2 gr. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. H-4350 shot the bullets 98 fps faster than Accurate and 43 fps faster than IMR. extreme spread 92 fps; average = 2595 fps. The .35 Remingtons rim was slightly larger, at 0.460 inch, and the case was a little shorter, 1.92 inches versus 2.03 inches for the other Remington rounds. Thats as fast as any powder has shot that bullet weight from my 7mm Magnum. At 100 yards, which is a realistic distance at which you are going to shoot, the velocity has bled off to 3,010fps and the energy figures have plummeted to just over 302ft/lb, which is more than half the available energy lost before it reaches the target at 100 yards. This powder also flows precisely through a powder measure. I have weighed four brands of cases and found considerable variation (10.4 percent) from the lightest (Hornady, at 145.0 grains) and the heaviest (Winchester, at 160.1 grains). This concludes with an average overall group size for all types of ammunition. The 220-grain version is a great choice for heavier gameat modest ranges, of course. Hornady offers a Varmint Express load using a 17 grain Also important is to use bullets with a cannelure and to crimp the case mouth to keep the bullet from being pushed back into the case under recoil, which can raise pressures dramatically. The trim die squeezes the neck down to .17 caliber, and its hardened surface allows squaring up the mouth of the case with a fine-tooth file. velocity at 10', rather than actual MV. Expecting to receive a half-dozen or so, I was quite surprised after opening the package to see more than 30 different cartridges ranging in size from the .17 Lilliput on a shortened .22 Hornet case to the .17 Swift on the full-length .220 Swift case. Remington surprised everyone by legitimising the .17 by not domesticating the .17/223 cartridge, as expected, but by using the .223 case and pushing the shoulder back, therefore producing a longer neck. The (left) .22-250 Remington is based on a necked-down .250 Savage. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Ive loaded A-2495 in the .243 Winchester shooting 70-grain bullets. All Rights Reserved. Five loads with A-4064 and 40-, 50- and 55-grain bullets in the .22-250 averaged .68 inch for five-shot groups. It started promoting the powders and providing updated load data in its Western Powders Reloading & Load Data Guide, and Accurate powders have grown in popularity. at 3,800 fps has close to the same trajectory. Starting with a load of 23-grain RL15 with a 15-grain Berger produces 3,610fps. Re: 17 Remington Likes Dislikes [Re: andrews1958] #6836728 However, some Marlin Model 336s have been observed with very short throats that may contact the bullet when a cartridge is chambered. Loading the .17 is really good fun and today there are enough good bullet manufacturers producing high-quality bullets to get the best from the calibre. 4831 is the better powder for the 25/06. The .172 (not .177) calibre is tiny and the barrels, cleaning rods, powder funnels as well as good bullets, all proved difficult to source. .17 rimfire rifles are normally tested with a good quality telescopic sight set at a magnification of nine power or higher. With a 23-degree shoulder and a case length of 1.796 inchesthe .223 Remington uses a 1.760-inch-long casethe .17 Remington often has a powder charge heavier than its bullet. This load shoots in all the .17 Remington's I've owned; at about 4040 fps', the advertised Remington velocity. The powder also shot well with 50-grain bullets fired in the .22-250. The cartridge overall length (COL) is also important for proper feeding from the magazine. CCI TNT: smallest group 1/2"; largest group 2-1/4"; at 100 yards. Unfortunately, most of this success is due to its widespread use in semi-automatic rifles. The 17 Rem. Ultimately we fired a total of over 80 groups and 400+ instrumental velocities for our five loads, including the highest We offer Hornady load data with over 180.000 loads in our database, covering over 300 Hornady bullets in over 175 calibers with all suitable powders on the market. The Western Powders manual lists Hornady 250-grain roundnose bullets with a velocity of 2,500 fps when paired with 52.0 grains of A-2015. Standard Large Rifle primers are perfectly adequate for the .35 Rem., as most powder charges are in the 40- to 45-grains range. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. this comparison is the accuracy results. Theres another point thats important when reloading the .35 Rem. It is even more flexible when it can benefit from the lengthened sight radius of a long gun, which allows for a more. Greetings. Western's data guide lists A-2200 loads for the .17 Hornet, .223 Remington, 6mm PPC and 6mm BR. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. The .17 caliber rimfire cartridges include the .17 M2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM. Remington introduced it in 1971, and soon thereafter a friend of mine bought a Model 700 BDL chambered for it. The cartridge is available in bullet weights of 36 to 80 grains. I tried 26 grains of Win 760 with hornady 25grain hps and got some better results with that(not that much better though only about 1.5 MOA). SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, Savage Model 110 Timberline 6.5 Creedmoor Rifle: Full Review, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles, .300 PRC vs. .300 Win Mag: Rifle Cartridge Comparison Review, The Colt Anaconda .44 Rem. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 77/17VMBBZ, Savage A17 and Savage Model 93R17-BVSS). This fast-burning, double-base, extruded powder is made in Canada. When I prepare for the spring gopher campaign, I load a big batch of .223s with this powder and 40-grain bullets. The 6.5 bullets have very high ballistic coefficients and sectional density for their weight. Only thing I don't like about the 17 cal is, bullets. Seems like once I settle on a load, the bullet is discontinued. rounds of ammunition for record. To achieve a balance between keeping the bullet together on firing while travelling up the bore, the bullet actually has to be tough around the jacket and therefore the tip is really the only area that can be fragile to initiate expansion. Dimensional differences between the two cases are so slight that load data for the two are interchangeable. Remington noted Winchesters commercial advantage and took steps to siphon market share away from Big Red. Remington didnt have a lever action, but by 1906 it had the Model 8 semiautomatic rifle. load exceeded its published MV by 45 fps, the Remington Premier load
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